Saturday, February 15th, 2020 09:28 am
Guessing at whether trees were native to Northern Europe by how many syllables are in the English word


* ash: Old English æsce, aexe, of Germanic origin; related to Dutch as and German Asche.
* beech: Old English bēce, of Germanic origin; related to Latin fagus ‘beech’, Greek phagos ‘edible oak’.
* birch: Old English bierce, birce, of Germanic origin; related to German Birke.
* elm: Old English, of Germanic origin; related to German dialect Ilm, and Swedish and Norwegian alm.
* oak: Old English āc, of Germanic origin; related to Dutch eik and German Eiche.
* pine: Old English, from Latin pinus, reinforced in Middle English by Old French pin.
* yew: Old English īw, ēow, of Germanic origin.

Nordic but not Anglo-Saxon trees

* fir: late Middle English: probably from Old Norse fyri- (recorded in fyriskógr ‘fir wood’).

The two syllable tree names that appear to have Anglo-saxon word roots are under-story trees

* apple: Old English æppel, of Germanic origin; related to Dutch appel and German Apfel. Probably originally for Malus sylvestris and then reappropriated with central Asian apples made their way to England.
* elder: Old English ellærn; related to Middle Low German ellern, elderne. Probably Sambucus racemosa
* hazel: Old English hæsel, of Germanic origin; related to Dutch hazelaar ‘hazel tree’, hazelnoot ‘hazelnut’, and German Hasel, from an Indo-European root shared by Latin corylus.

One syllable tress not native to northern Europe

* fig: Middle English: from Old French figue, from Provençal fig(u)a, based on Latin ficus.
* plane: late Middle English: from Old French, from Latin platanus, from Greek platanos, from platus ‘broad’. Looks like prior to 1492, just the Platanus orientalis would have been known to English speakers.

Two syllable trees not native to northern Europe

* cedar: Old English, from Old French cedre or Latin cedrus, from Greek kedros.
* cherry: Middle English: from Old Northern French cherise, from medieval Latin ceresia, based on Greek kerasos ‘cherry tree, cherry’.
* chestnut: early 16th century: from Old English chesten (from Old French chastaine, via Latin from Greek kastanea) + nut.
* cypress: Middle English: from Old French cipres, from late Latin cypressus, from Greek kuparissos.


I find i am most curious about two syllable maple: it doesn't appear likely that there were many significant native maples to Northern Europe

* maple: Old English mapel (as the first element of mapeltrēow, mapulder ‘maple tree’); used as an independent word from Middle English.

"The type species of the genus is the sycamore maple, Acer pseudoplatanus, the most common maple species in Europe." (More on this as i grouse about the word "sycamore") Not native to norther Europe but "native to Central Europe and Western Asia, from France eastwards to Ukraine, northern Turkey and the Caucasus and southwards in the mountains of northern Spain and Italy."
https://maplesociety.org/sites/default/files/deJongWorldwideMapleDiversity-vf.pdf

The tree name i find most annoying is sycamore. I grew up with the sweet gum, Liquidambar styraciflua, being called sycamore. When i moved to Philadelphia i became aware the American plane tree was called sycamore more commonly. (It is a tree much less prevalent in young southern American woods). Then i found in England sycamore belonged to a maple tree. And in the bible it refers to a fig. So in MY list of trees, sycamore is a useless term and just means that the leaves might be lobed. Ugh. "The name derives from the ancient Greek συκόμορος (sūkomoros) meaning "fig-mulberry"." At least figs and mulberries are in the same plant family, although not that close.
Saturday, February 15th, 2020 03:46 pm (UTC)
Interesting. Like much of English, the simpler words are from the Germanic roots (I guess before German began its fascination with polysyllabic concretions).

Maple I think of as New World (heck, it's leaf is the national emblem of Canada, what with there being no such thing as a hockey stick tree).

I didn't know about the confusion about sycamore.
Saturday, February 15th, 2020 09:55 pm (UTC)

Makes sense. Even the non-Germanic names of more common trees (eg fig/figue) are simple words.

Saturday, February 15th, 2020 05:37 pm (UTC)
We have a native plane tree here too. Sometimes called the 'London plane'- it has the most beautiful bark!



Maples grow okay, but they're 19th century imports as are sycamores.
Saturday, February 15th, 2020 07:02 pm (UTC)
I suspect this may be like the situation with "corn", which is used for whatever grain is usually grown in the region (what, maize, barley ...). To me the sycamore is the one whose leaves have hairy undersides and whose fruits are lobed spinners (and the one that gets a disease producing raised red dots, fascinating to kids like me); that seems to be Acer pseudoplatanus. But the London plane is a hybrid and London is just one of the suggestions for where it spontaneously arose. I grew up hearing they were gifts from America, in fact, so I wasn't surprised to find them in parks here.

M
Saturday, February 15th, 2020 08:36 pm (UTC)
Well I learned something today! I have only ever heard sycamore used for Platanus occidentalis. (I grew up in Michigan and now live at the southern end of Illinois.) Although, if anyone around here ever did refer to a sweetgum as a sycamore in my hearing, I would have assumed they either hadn't looked closely at the tree in question or had misunderstood which tree we were talking about, so I wouldn't have caught on to it being a variant name!

(Giant sweetgums dominate my small yard, one in front and one in back. They are so majestic, and yet I hate those gumballs SO DAMN MUCH.)
Sunday, February 16th, 2020 05:38 am (UTC)
Consider also the rowan, sorbus domestica; the "sorb" names are old, but "rowan" is from the ON reynir.

M